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The alien spaceship, disguised as a rogue planet falls into a parallel orbit with earth around the sun. The aliens send a message to earth that is unlike any other message ever received by human beings.

In the “old” days, an author would consult a scientist on the technical aspects of their story. But today, there is artificial intelligence instead. To see how I do this read below my conversation with artificial intelligence as we explore the science behind an alien spaceship, cloaked as a rogue planet, coming alongside the earth in a parallel orbit.

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You said:

Assume a second planet approximately the same size of earth falls into solar orbit exactly twice the distance from the earth to the moon. also assume the second planet was on the same plane as the moon’s orbit. As the moon circles the earth it approaches the mid-point between the rogue planet and its native planet. At that precise point, the moon veers off only to complete its circle by now going around the rogue planet. Upon concluding its circle around the rogue planet, it again approaches the mid-point between earth and the rogue planet. And again, at that precise point, the moon again veers off only to complete its circle by now going around the earth. And thus, the moon establishes a new path that treks around both planets in a figure eight pattern.

ChatGPT said:

Thought for 52s

Fun setup! If we keep Newtonian gravity and don’t add propulsion or “magic,” the figure-eight swap you describe wouldn’t persist. Here’s why—and what would actually happen.

What two near-Earths do to a Moon

• Geometry you gave: second Earth-mass planet on the Moon’s orbital plane, separation = 2 lunar distances ≈ 7.69×10^5 km between the two planets.
• For two equal-mass bodies, the L1 point (the saddle between their gravity wells) sits right at the midpoint. That’s only 1 lunar distance (≈3.84×10^5 km) from each planet—exactly where our Moon currently lives.

The bound zone around each planet shrinks

Use the standard Roche-lobe/Eggleton estimate for how big a region can remain gravitationally bound to one body in a close binary (mass ratio q=1):rLa≈0.490.6+ln⁡(2)≈0.379arL​​≈0.6+ln(2)0.49​≈0.379

• With a = 7.69×10^5 km (planet–planet separation), each planet’s lobe radius is r_L ≈ 2.91×10^5 km.
• The Moon’s distance (3.84×10^5 km) is outside either planet’s lobe, so it cannot stay stably bound to just Earth (or just the new planet).

The midpoint isn’t a “switch,” it’s a knife-edge

• The midpoint (L1) is unstable. A tiny nudge decides which gravity well wins.
• To “switch owners” on every pass, the Moon would need exactly the right energy and phase each time—an unrealistically precise, actively stabilized trajectory. Any tiny perturbation (tides, solar gravity, planetary oblateness, atmospheric drag on Earth isn’t relevant at that height, but solar tides are) would break the pattern quickly.

What dynamics you’d really get

One of these (all are chaotic on human timescales):

1. Chaotic transfers then impact/ejection. The Moon would surf the saddle region, suffer large energy kicks, and likely either hit a planet or get ejected to a distant solar orbit.
2. Circumbinary orbit (P-type) around both planets. Stable only if far outside the pair—rule of thumb: ≥ 2–3× the planet–planet separation. Here that’s ≥ 1.5–2.3 million km, far beyond the Moon’s current 384,000 km. The Moon would need energy gain to reach that; naturally, it’s more likely to be flung than neatly parked.
3. Temporary captures (“exchange orbits”). You might see a few messy loops around one planet, then a lurch to the other, but not a clean, repeating figure-eight.

“But I’ve heard about figure-eight orbits…”

There is a famous three-body “choreography” where three comparable masses chase each other on a symmetric figure-eight around their common center of mass. That solution does not apply here: our masses are very unequal (two Earths vs. a 1/81-Earth Moon), and your Moon isn’t one of the equal primaries.

Tides and planet stability (the backdrop may be apocalyptic)

Two Earth-mass worlds only 7.7×10^5 km apart would raise enormous tides on each other—strong torques, rapid spin synchronization, internal heating, likely intense tectonics and volcanism. Even before we worry about the Moon, the two planets’ mutual tides could evolve the separation and spins quickly, further destabilizing any lunar path.

Bottom line: with two Earth-mass planets only 2 lunar distances apart, the Moon can’t stay bound to one, and a clean, repeating figure-eight swap between them isn’t a natural, stable orbit. You’d get brief, chaotic trading at best—followed by collision, ejection, or (with help) a distant circumbinary capture.

You said:

Assume one planet is actually an alien vessel disguised as a rogue planet that exerts an artificial gravity to maintain the figure 8 orbit. how would this affect earth?

ChatGPT said:

Thought for 38s

Cool twist. Two very different outcomes depend on how “artificial gravity” works:

A) It behaves like real gravity (i.e., it pulls on Earth too)

If the disguised vessel produces a field equivalent to a big mass (say, ~Earth-mass) at ~2 lunar distances (~7.7×10^5 km from Earth, per your setup), then Earth and the vessel form a tight binary planet:

• Binary period ≈ 55 days. Earth and the vessel would orbit their shared barycenter about every ~55 days, each wobbling with a radius ~3.8×10^5 km.
• Tides: ~10× stronger than today’s lunar tides. Tidal forcing scales like M/r3M/r3. An Earth-mass at twice the lunar distance delivers ~10× the Moon’s present tidal torque. Expect regular, basin-filling tides (tens of meters), extreme coastal erosion, recurrent flooding, and powerful tidal currents. Many coasts become uninhabitable.
• Spin & interior: Gigantic tidal torques would lengthen Earth’s day rapidly and heat the interior (enhanced volcanism and quakes).
• Climate: The 55-day barycentric wobble changes Earth–Sun distance by ~±3.8×10^5 km (~±0.26%), modulating solar input by ~±0.5%. That’s small compared with seasons, but it’s a persistent new rhythm; the tidal/oceanic chaos would matter far more than direct insolation changes.
• Satellites & space ops: GEO/MEO/HEO orbits get strongly perturbed; station-keeping costs soar. Cislunar trajectories become treacherous.
• The Moon: Your figure-8 path can be maintained, but the Moon repeatedly crossing the two planets’ Roche/tidal zones risks fragmentation into rings if passes get too close, or chaotic energy kicks that ultimately eject or impact it unless the aliens keep guiding it.

Bottom line for (A): civilization-scale upheaval—coasts re-drawn, infrastructure wrecked, faster day-length drift, heightened seismic/volcanic activity—unless the aliens deliberately keep their effective mass much smaller than Earth’s.

B) It’s “selective” gravity (they only tug the Moon)

If their field couples mostly to the Moon (sci-fi violation of the equivalence principle), Earth doesn’t feel a big direct pull. You still get major knock-ons:

• Wild, time-varying tides anyway. Even if Earth isn’t pulled, the Moon’s distance and track are being reshaped on each loop. Since tidal strength varies as 1/r31/r3, the tidal range would swing dramatically over the figure-8 cycle—potentially large enough to be hazardous during the closer passes.
• Angular-momentum bookkeeping: They’re injecting/removing energy from the Earth–Moon system. That shows up as changes in Earth’s rotation rate (length-of-day jitter) and in the Moon’s long-term semi-major axis unless they actively counter it. Earth’s precession/nutation would also be altered.
• Seismic/volcanic responses: Rapidly changing tidal stresses can trigger quakes and modulate volcanic activity (small to moderate increases are plausible).
• Satellites & navigation: The Moon’s moving gravity well sweeps through unusual geometries; expect orbit perturbations, more eclipse events, and frequent ephemeris updates for navigation systems.
• If loops get too tight: Close Earth passes (<~2–3 Earth radii above the surface) risk Roche-limit tides on the Moon—partial shedding (a transient ring) unless the aliens keep safe stand-offs.

Practical knobs the aliens would need to turn

• Cap effective mass/gradient to keep coastal tides tolerable (e.g., ≤ current lunar tidal forcing).
• Hold the Moon’s perigee outside dangerous resonances and the Roche limit.
• Actively conserve system angular momentum to avoid runaway spin-down of Earth or ejection of the Moon.
• Provide satellite “traffic control” windows so GEO/MEO don’t get destabilized during tight loops.

Short take

• If their “gravity” is ordinary and strong: Earth gets a catastrophic, 55-day binary-tide world—civilization-threatening.
• If they can target only the Moon and finely modulate forces: Earth avoids the worst, but still faces erratic mega-tides (at times), rotation jitter, more quakes/volcanism, and messy orbital dynamics—serious but survivable with planning and with the aliens’ careful babysitting.

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